tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 17, 2017 9:00pm-10:01pm PST
good evening from washington. just days until his inauguration, the cloud of controversy surrounding donald trump. the national airport from the first inaugural event. the dinner with the diplomatic corps. the tape comes in and we begin with breaking news and perhaps the final controversy the outgoing president's administration. president obama used his constitutional power to grant executive clemency for chelsea manning. chelsea manning was known as bradley manning to a record 35 years for providing hundreds of thousands of government
documents to wikileaks. >> tonight in a shocking move, president obama is allowing chelsea manning, the army private convicted of stealing and leaking hundreds of thousands of documented videos to be a free woman in may. the reaction on capitol hill and beyond has been swift. >> for the president, especially the president who made so much about posing the national security and it's disappointing. >> in 2009, they stole hundreds of thousands of classified and sensitive military files as a 22-year-old army intelligence analyst. he gave them to the website wikileaks that published them causing a ripple effect in the united states and around the world and putting wikileaks on the map. mannings's disclosure included videos of air strikes in baghdad that launched decisions. that included embarrassing
cables. manning confided in an associate about the disclosure who is alerted authorities in 2010. the defense said manning was a naive whistle blower who wanted to shed light on violations. manning pleaded guilty before the sentencing. he was appointed and found guilty on 20 other counts including the espionage act and sentenced to 35 years in prison. the day after, manning announced she wanted to live life as a woman and a year later a judge granted mannings's request for a formal name change from manning to chelsea. chelsea was put on suicide watch. the white house is defending mannings's sentence commutation. and drawing the distinction between manning and snowden who
remains in exile. >> she went through the military criminal justice process. she acknowledged wrong-doing. there snowden fled into the arms of an adversary. and sought refuge made a concerted effort to undermine confidence. has the white house signalled he might do this for a while. >> when you look back over the tenure, he was tough on government leaks and the administration prosecuted such
cases, nine of 10 of them of past presidents combined. they know the administration has been outspoken on the they played and the white house and setting the stage, signalling that perhaps there could be clemency granted to chelsea manning. we heart josh in the press conference before the announcement was made, laying the ground work making the case for this saying she pleaded guilty and apologized and served time and the white house also saying that julian assange promised to turn himself in if she was granted clemency. julian assange is the founder of wikileaks. former house intelligence chairman and trump supporter and
american spectator is here with former black caucus director and the point just made. this is this is a big departure. given how tough the administration has been. >> you see condemn nation more private. probably had more of this than i do. anyway and especially given the big debate the country is going to. when they happened, there is always a head scratcher. i remember standing in front of the white house when he pardoned mark rich. word came out and everyone was stunned. then everyone said it was the white house and off we went.
you look at the accomplishments and the conservative senators, the ranking democrat saying what signal does it send to whistle blowers? when these happened at the end of the administration, it leaves you scratching your head. >> they are saying this doesn't set a precedent because the distinction between the two of them is so material here. they had nothing in common. they do have something in common. they both leaked documents. chelsea manning is the person who gave birth to wikileaks essentially. this is what the white house has
been citing. i also think there is a humanitarian side to the decision. we will hear more from the president. >> and the fact that she is in a male prison. why not transfer her to another prison? i was told that she is facing an uncertain fate behind bars. i will also say that i asked the question was there a deal with assange that perhaps he would return from prosecution. he tweeted that possibility. my source said no. he did make this promise. >> there was no returning.
he has been held up expressly to avoid sweeten. and sexual assault. and i will be extradited to the u.s. if he does, and it remains to be seen that he followed through. chelsea manning put wiki leaks on the map. this exposed the diplomatic cables. thousands of foreign diplomat who is were confiding and they said can i really talk to american diplomats and the iraq war diaries and thousands of documents that is the view in the defense community. u.s. confidential abroad. >> bob gates in 2010 said it was
overwrought the rhetoric that was being done. not as much damage. they were likely to share information from the u.s. >> lindsay graham and the staff soldiers, could anyone trace to an american life lost abroad or confidential source abroad? that's a key point. did it expose information and might have led to those people. you can make that judgment. from the view of the folks in field. i can't say how i feel and we
saw what the respects were about what was compromised. they talked about the top line things. the cables that and he stole something and released and stole and released how we do things. there were reports and argued the names of the individuals. they were cooperating with u.s. forces. you read the report and you are from the areas. you are going to figure out who the person was. we saw that operations had to be changed. we saw changes on the ground as a result. this is why you don't allow a private in the military to make a decision about what is disclosable and what is not disclosable.
it is dangerous. and releasing files only show what we knew about relationships with people at gitmo. if you read it and in the intelligence business, if you are in the counter intelligence business, you read aha, now we know what we have to change in the assessment of that person. this is dangerous stuff. we need to look at the commutation. it's not a pardon. it in no way excuses what manning did nor has she attempted to excuse it. as gloria said there is a humane aspect of this. the obama policies about leaks have been draconian and an assault on the first amendment and at the same time there is no question about the seriousness of it. we also have the example of
general petraeus which is a line that is drawn that makes all of these cases so difficult. they give weight to equal weight. what petraeus did was awful and he got a slap on the wrist. there is no constancy in any of this. no good answers here. >> they are not talking about constancy. they have folks on the donald trump talked a lot about wikilea wikileaks. can you be in favor of wikileaks in phrasing them on one side. and critical of chelsea man something. >> to me the whole business is about leaks in the first place. let's remember that this particular situation today for chelsea manning comes in the middle. including the intelligence committee. all this does is elevate and say this is how it can work.
here is one person and how they gave this stuff to wikileaks. it could have been "the washington post." it could have been any number of the media sources. it highlights the complaint. it also speaks to the new role. "the washington post" would presumably bet it and decide what to release and what not to. this speaks to the buzz feed story. when you have a data dump. >> shovel it out. >> when you shovel it out and we created a situation where the low level analyst get to decide for the good of america to be a whistle blower. the ability to discern the damage that could be done. >> i take issue with this from a different standpoint. to get back to your point about the humanitarian side of this. this is a good example for the
obama legacy. they demonstrate the inhumane treatment they receive in prison. whether they are female or male in prison, there are severe challenges. the other interesting thing on another side that i am criticizing the president on this, there are so many examples of political prisoners. this is an interesting case for him to harness the collective power of millennials. it's interesting to know why that wasn't a situation. it's not about wiki leaks and leaking documents, but that has everything to do with prisoners. >> we have to take a break. >> he was not even an analyst. he was an it systems guy who was an analyst who didn't understand what he stole. 750,000 not pages, but files. when you make any excuse for saying i believe what he may or
may not be bad, you disrupt the system of keeping classified information classified. it's classified for a reason in cases like this to keep people safe on the battlefield. the other piece of this, assange in the last couple of days shouted out a tweet that said if you want to promote more leaks like this, democrats, then you should fight for a pardon for chelsea manning. i don't believe the two are tied together, but it shows you the danger of walking in even to the perception that hey, it's okay if doi this. some president somewhere is going to see it my way in the future. >> 35 years he should have had. >> donald trump's remarks and three days from his inauguration. they are showing his approval ratings are falling. dozens of democrats plan to skip the inauguration. they have been candid about why
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i hope they give me their tickets. are they going to give us their tickets? what happens to their tickets? i hope they will give us their tickets. >> meantime, donald trump's approval ratings are falling according to a poll. donald trump became the nation's 45th president. approve rating of 40%, the lowest of any recent president and below obama. he is dismissing it as phony and rigged. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. why skip the inauguration. if hillary clinton had been elected and republicans were skipping the inauguration, democrats would be up in arms. >> many skipped both obama's 50 and second. it was a tough decision because i definitely respect the peaceful transition of power.
the constant lying and interference with russia and mocking of those with disabilities and the profound disrespect for women. i couldn't celebrate. i will be there for the state of the union address. i'ma a member of congress, but i don't feel like celebrating and dancing at the inauguration. >> the importance of peaceful transfer of power and honoring that tradition, that's not something that weighs on you at all. >> not really. we will handout over 400 tickets to constituents. lots of people want the seats. i can watch it at home and not be part of the celebration. it's not a presidency i will celebrate. i will honor it and we'll work together. my constituents in northern virginia overwhelmingly support the decision not to go.
they are very terrified of what will happen with the affordable care act and what pruitt and others may do with the environmental protection agency. >> does it help in your ability to work with the administration. doesn't it make it harder to work with them? >> i have been as polite and respectful as i can. at the same time pointing out clearly that his values are as expressed and whey hold deer are opposed. >> would this be the same for any republican candidate? >> i don't think so. >> it seems to me that donald trump is very much an out liar. many republican friends in the house who never act the way he is acting on the campaign. that talks about the sore winner complex. >> i have to break in. apologies. we are getting tape in from
president-elect trump and 200 members. this is tape. we will watch it for the first time together. more when we come back after this. >> what a great thing that was. the balancing act felt so much better. i had a couple of beauties i could have picked. they were good to. maybe it wouldn't have worked out. i want to thank mike and karen and all of the people in the room. we have so many friends. 147 diplomats and ambassadors. never been done before. never had that. i know how safe this room is. boy oh, boy.
this place is surrounded tonight. i want to thank you all for being here and we have great respect for your countries and great respect for our world. we have a man that i wanted right from the beginning. rex tillerson and these lights are bright, but he's around here someplace. where is rex? what a job. thank you very much. it's tougher. he live a strong play. he goes into another country with the oil. it's tough dealing with the politicians, right? he is going to be so incredible and i'm proud of everybody. the cabinet members that we have put together. i think the likes of which has never been assembled before. we will have further reports in the years to come. you will see that. i want to say that so many people are talking about what's going on and now they just announced we are going to have record crowds coming.
i saw the bikers for trump. they had a scene today. i don't know if i would want to ride one of those, but they like me. it's like additional security with those guys. they are rough. they get on their harley made right here in america. they had a scene today where they had helicopters flying over a highway someplace in this country and thousands of those guys coming into town. let me tell you, they are great people. we are getting -- i must have gotten 100% of their votes. between the military and the police -- >> that was the tape that we got. i'm not sure why it cut out when it did, but that was the tape we were given. >> to switzerland, what do you think of donald trump's reception? the questions that many internationally have about where the u.s. is headed.
>> there was nothing objectionable in that tape, but the comments over the weekend about data being obsolete and trading russian sanctions for additional nuclear arms and my experiences, almost everyone in europe is terrified of what the trump presidency may be for the u.s. nato alliance. >> i want to bring in the rest of the panel. john, you had a question. >> your point about you are not going because you had disagreements or do you like john lewis? >> i am not willing to say he is illegitimate. he is legitimate enough to be sworn in on friday, but they have not done their deep dives. we may find illegitimacy later. i honor president obama's notion that he should be sworn in. >> you don't think you are hurting constituents? he will have to make a lot of big decisions.
a lot of your districts and a lot of federal workers, you don't think you are going to hurt your seat at the table when he is making those tough decisions? you know his history. somebody gets in his face and he counter punches back. he is not a hugger. >> we noticed that with john lewis this weekend. i'm not. maybe i should be, but what i find is that most of the things that he laid out so far on the environment and on women and national defense, affordable care act and the way we treat federal employees, my folks are scared to death and up in arms. i think there was a symbolic experience to my members. my constituents. >> did you make your decision because of john lewis. >> i have to ask you, i'm being humorous. it's a serious matter. i wonder when i listen to you, there are four democrats.
i have to ask, are you on donald trump's payroll. he was elected president because he campaigned against washington elites. i can only tell you, the political effect of what you are doing is to e enforce the that and help him. did you think of that? >> i didn't think of that and i hope it's not true. i think part of what i have to do is be authentic. >> that's the problem. i think you are being authentic. >> i am. to john's question, it's not so much about policy, he's a republican and he's going to have different policies than i do. it's more character. the character that i don't like. the character that i don't approve of. >> how do you get the constituents. you didn't get 100% in your district. don't they believe that their congressman should be there representing them at this swearing in?
>> if i look at how donald trump did in my district which is 20%. they would dump him. >> isn't there a way? >> you can start seeing this at every inauguration that people find objectionable. you are making a very different argument. john lewis said it's illegitimate. that's not what you are saying. >> i would have been happy to go to george bush's or george herbert walker bush. the policy difference is easier to get over. we come from different perspective and the characterizing goes deeper. who we are as americans and what we value in terms of women. they had serious issues as character over certain things
that happened with women. people still went to his inaugurati inauguration. >> for me to be authentic is to express those. >> he is the legitimate president of the united states until proven otherwise. i think what's happening here, tell me if i'm wrong, a great number of people believe that he has demonstrated himself especially in the transition to be unfit in ways to the president and avoid endorsing what his actions have been by not showing up. that's what people are telling me, but at the same time to recognize legitimacy is what the electoral college did with the people of the united states. if there is something to be found out later, that's something else. you want to boycott which is what you are talking about because you disagree with a man and his policies and find him
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more breaking news. the world of politics. the search for a man thought to be responsible for the death of his girlfriend is over. he is in custody and nick joins us with the latest. what have we learned? >> it has been more than a week since she was shot and killed in the orlando area and after that week of hunting for the helped siller, he was finally taken into custody and announced on the profile page he is accused also of shooting and killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend in mid-december. that man that you saw dragged into the police department in orlando was on the run for more than a month.
1400 tips and over $100,000. fanning not just all across florida, but across the country. captured in the very same community where he is accused of shooting and killing keb ra clayton. if there is just a punctuation to this arrest, when he was taken into custody, he was using the handcuffs. he told me i'm just so excited that he can't do harm to anyone else. this brings closure to not just myself, but the immediate family. anderson? >> thanks very much. the politics we have been talking about, the controversies for president-elect trump and this only adds confusion to it. potential conflict with his party over what to do with obamacare.
repealing it without a replacement and what it might mean. predicting that 18 million people might lose coverage in the first year alone. premiums could double and now as lawmakers grapple with what to do next, they said his own plan will cover everybody. the central problem is what is discovered. the congressional republicans may not be on the same page or the same zip code. >> for republicans on capitol hill, president-elect trump's decision to weigh in with his ideas have not been a positive development. the fact that no one seems to have details about the plan. he told "the washington post" it's nearly finalized. >> the president-elect's plan to have -- [inaudible]. . >> we will have to see what the plan is. >> the senator is the chairman of the senate health committee, the crucial player in the effort to replace the affordable care
act. yet -- >> i haven't spoken to him about the plan. >> he hasn't pledged what they would do, but he said it is insurance for everybody. >> he wants universal coverage in the health care plan. do you agree? >> it cut to the heart of the debate. who and how many will get health care insurance. top officials have been very specific in their description. it's about access. not universal coverage. >> we want to make sure people are covered, right? we want to do it in a way that brings down costs. the idea is to repeal and replace with the idea that everyone will be able to get coverage. we want to make sure they have access to coverage and want to make it more affordable. >> a message trump clearly diverged from in his remarks and that could come back to bite republicans in the future. as you can see, the comments about universal health care and if you think that is doable with
the replace package. >> i think we can do better than the current system. that's the point. >> when he joins us now from capitol hill, the point of this is hhs. what are you hearing about where he stands on it? >> the most interesting dynamic of all with a long time house guy. he hez close relationships. he has been holed up preparing for the hearing. they expect a lot of fireworks and when you talk to house lawmakers as well, they point to tom price at hhs as being one of the crucial components. he can do a lot over there whether it's dealing with the subsitties and trying to ease the burden and he he appears to be their ally.
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white house press secretary said when the obamas leave the white house, they will be heading to palm springs, california. they are moving boxes into the house they will be leasing in washington. of course as they leave, the trump family will be coming in behind them. a quick turn around to say the least. it is a practice choreography. what actually happens on moving day? >> it is organized chaos. >> the obamas will likely leave the white house for good at 10:45 a.m., giving just six hours to get the mansion ready for the new administration. former white house chief usher gary walters helped coordinate the moves of five presidents
including reagan, bush 41, clinton and bush 43. >> it was like a ballet. >> they're have a swat team of about 90 staffers. by the time donald and melania return from the inaugural parade, the white house has to feel like home. >> their clothes are in their closets and personal effects are in their bathroom. favorite foods in the kitchen. we break the staff down. >> carpenters and art curators pitch in. with only three small elevators getting one president out and in is never easy. depending on donald trump is planning to redecorating, books set on shelves and painting and art hung. they schedule time so the work never stops. >> they work closely with the first lady.
walters helped hillary clinton and laura bush. even a dance as well choreographed as this one is not always perfect. in 1993, he lost his voice and had to write all directions on a note pad when bill clinton arrived, he welcomed him with a whisper. the ball gown disappeared during the move. >> there was a frightful time until we located the dress. >> on inauguration day 1989, bush 41's granddaughter surprised the white house staff by showing up 2 1/2 hours early in the middle of the move. this year if all goes smoothly, the trumps will never know the chaos that preceded their arrival. the chief usher will meet him at the door and offer a settle greeting. welcome, mr. president, to your new home. randi kay, cnn, washington. >> joining me now is anita mcbride, chief of staff to laura
bush. it's exhausting thinking about that. it does sound like controlled chaos. >> it is. to think about this inauguration and the parade is an hour and a half or two hours shorter. it's less time for that. >> it's amazing that everything of the obamas has to be out. do they send stuff that they already have earmarked what they want in various rooms? >> typically that is what happened. after the first meeting where we saw mrs. obama greeted mrs. trump. the chief usher had a conversation with people on the trump team to start to go through the checklist of things they will want to move in and want to have in the house. those conversations have been going on. >> the clothes will be hanging. >> the inaugural items will be laid out and food they want and beds will be made for all of the
overnight guests. the sheets and towels they preselected will be there. >> they are not redoing the entire white house. they only have sway over certain rooms. >> this is one of the most wonderful lasting legacies of jackie kennedy in creating the committee for preservation of the white house. that has some control and a lot of say over what happens in the staterooms. in the private residence, the apartment where the family will live, they do have jurisdiction over that. >> they can bring in an interior designer to come in and redo it? >> and work with the curator and usher and put up new wallpaper and carpet. that is done overtime. some things may have been preselected by the new first family. a vast warehouse of white house collection. of furniture and rugs and draperies and things that are part of a collection of
artifacts that they may have selected to be ready and moved in to the house. >> the other thing is that the presidential family is responsible for some of the costs. all the food they eat, they have to pay for. >> they are responsible for a lot of costs. that was one of the things from mrs. bush, they would receive a monthly family bill. you pay for the food and the dry-cleaning. if you have pets, you pay for the pet's food and vet and all those things that you would buy. toiletries that you buy. personal items. somebody will do it for you, but you will pay for it. i think that's appropriate. >> that's fascinating. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> optimism from the trump presidency. the owner of a cheeseburger restaurant in detroit who hopes he will make good on his promises.
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concerned and hoping trump will have a change of heart. right now we want to hear from restaurant owners in michigan optimistic about donald trump's presidency. martin savage reports. >> reporter: on detroit's northeast side, the real onions glaze in a mouth watering magic. [ indiscernible ] sliders roll off of todd seaburgers' grill like chevys off an assembly line. but it is no industry giant, just todd, his wife jill, two stores, 20 employees. they're open seven days. but every evening, still make it a point to have dinner with their two kids. who cooks on that one? >> he does it all. >> reporter: so far they managed to make it work for nine years. what's the dream, what are you aiming for, what are you hoping for? >> the dream is we are all most there. just being able to call our own
shots and be our own boss. >> reporter: that's the same dream of the nation's 28 million small business owners. many of whom voted for donald trump. >> people of michigan -- >> reporter: including todd and jill who like many i talked to felt forgotten by washington. >> they just told us what we need to know or what we need to do or how we needed to think. they didn't talk to us. they didn't ask us. >> reporter: both felt a connicktion connic -- a connection to trump. they feel like he knows their dreams and struggles better than any politician. >> a lot of politicians in washington they're career, they don't hire and fire people, it's not their personal money on the line it's the government's money when they hire and fire people. not their own personal money that they have earned. >> kids' college money or whatever. >> right. >> reporter: jill and todd hope trump will deliver on promises to cut corporate taxes, roll back regulations and reform obamacare just for starters. >> i would look to see some of
these manufacturing jobs come back to the metro area. i would look to see the overteam come back. i would like to see the extra money come back. >> reporter: you see todd and jill say, small business is linked to big business. if trump makes things belter for general motors, gm hires more people or pays hypigher wages creating extra money that people spend on things like cheeseburgers. >> if you improve people's personal economies they come and spend money in a place like this? >> right. >> reporter: you think that is going to work and happen? >> i think it already happened. >> reporter: sales are already going up. jill has advice for the president-elect? >> stay off twitter. >> reporter: lastly, i asked what if trump doesn't deliver on all of he promised. what would you do? >> if it just turns out to be lip service and they don't get addressed, researching a candidate for the 2020 election, right? >> right. >> i voted for him. i didn't marry him.
so if he can pull it off and he sticks to his guns then, then, i am behind him. >> martin joins us now. did the small business owners you talked to, did they openly demonstrate support for donald trump before the election? >> no. no, they didn't. by any means. in fact, we wondered whether they would put some sign in their window. no, they were worried because of the controversy surrounding the campaign, because of the divisiveness within the nation they thought it might drive off business. so they were what they called silent trump supporters. and also they live in ma comb county, traditional democrat territory here in michigan. as it turns out macomb county actually went for donald trump which helped swing michigan to donald trump which helped swing the victory for the nation to donald trump. andersen. >> yeah, certainly did. martin savage. thank you very much. coming up. second hour live from washington. in his last days in office, big move from president obama. commuting the sentence of
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